clinton's message is clear. is it enough to keep obama in office? let's bring back my political all-stars. charles, when you hear bill clinton, isn't this one of the problems for barack obama? bill clinton is ten times as passionate and aggressive going after mitt romney than the president seems to want to be right now. it's not helpful to him, i don't think. people are like we would vote for clinton but why isn't the president doing this? >> i think that on the stump you get a much more passionate barack obama. i think that what people are kind of dumbfounded by is what happened at the debate because the person that you see on the stump, the person who gave a speech, all the speeches in '08, the person who gave the speech at the convention, that person was not necessarily the same obama that was at the debate and whether that was a strategic decision to seem more presidential or whatever, whatever the calculation was, it was just hard to square with the obama on the stump. >> i think the obama campaign are just off the point. look at this new obama